Episode 2 : LISK – The Long Island Serial Killer: The Disappearance of Shannan Gilbert

Today and for the next couple of episodes, this is a part 1, I will be going into the Long Island Serial Killer also known as LISK, the Gilgo Killer, the Gilgo Beach Killer, Manorville Butcher and the Craigslist Ripper. 

Transcript:

Welcome to episode 2 of the Deviant Mind. Today and for the next couple of episodes, this is a part 1, I will be going into the Long Island Serial Killer also known as LISK, the Gilgo Killer, the Gilgo Beach Killer, Manorville Butcher and the Craigslist Ripper. 

One of my main sources for this episode is Lost Girls: an unsolved American mystery by  Robert Kolker published in 2013. He met with all of these women’s families and friends. His research was thorough and humanized these victims thanks to his tireless reporting. I urge everyone to go out and buy his book and learn more about who these women were. I also have all of the articles I used in my show notes. 

Our story begins in the barrier islands of Long Island and a narrow strip of land that is marsh, dunes and beach. On May 1, 2010 around 1am a black Ford Explorer driven by a man named Michael Pak followed his GPS to a small community called Oak Beach and a closed gate. He was the driver for a young woman named Shannan Gilbert. The gate was locked but a man on the other side drove up, got out of the car and punched in a key code to let them in. They followed him back to a house and Shannan got out of the car.

The first 911 call came in at 4:51 a.m. 

After 12 years , the Suffolk police finally released Shannan Gilbert’s 911 calls to the public after numerous pleas from her family and the press in a way to be transparent in the Gilgo case. She stayed on that call for 22 minutes. She kept saying 

"Somebody's after me. There's somebody after me. There's somebody after me!" 

She fled from the house of Joseph Brewer the man who’d met her at the gate to let her in. He’d hired her for the night.  

We hear Shannan, fearful and shrieking, try to get the help of a man named Gus Coletti. He also calls 911 but He doesn’t let her in his home. He said he could only understand the word help. Gus said he would call the police and she went running away from him and going to beat on more doors in the small community. 

From his statements, he claims he let her in, but the 911 call says otherwise. He said he watched her try to hid  behind a small boat next to his house. A truck came down the road with a young asian man in it and Gus said he saw the girl run away into the darkness. 

Shannan banged on another door. A woman named Barbara Brennan saw Shannon coming and heard the desperate knocking, she didn’t open the door but she also 911. She saw Shannan clutching her cell phone. 

Shannan ran when Barbara said she was on with the police. 

The police arrive 45 min later after the last 911 call - Shannan and the car the neighbors had seen were long gone. Neighbors had no idea what had happened.

Shannan was never seen alive again.

Who was Shannan and who was the man who let her into Oak Beach? And how does she connect to Lisk or the Long Island Serial killer.

The search for her body would uncover 10 bodies of women, a toddler and a man on this remote stretch, The police and media dubbed the first four women they found the Gilgo four. They were found in the bramble off the Ocean Parkway on Gilgo Beach three miles away from where Shannan disappeared.  

On this episode we will discuss this and the subsequent finding of the gilgo Four in December of 2010. Their bodies were found just three mils away from where Shannon disappeared. At first, detectives through they’d found Shannan but they had not. Instead they’d found:

Maureen Brainard-Barnes, last seen in 2007 - 3 years earlier at penn station in Manhattan

Melissa Barthelemy, missing in 2009 from the Bronx

Megan Waterman, last seen in a hotel in Hauppauge, Long Island gone missing in June of 2010

Amber Lynn Costello last seen in aug of 2010 in West Babylon, Long Island

All of these women had traits in common with Shannan

1 20s and petite

2 out of town escorts

3 advertised on Craigslist and back page

In April of 2011, the authorities found a partially dismembered woman, another sex worked by the name of Jessica Taylor, an unidentified asian male, two unidentified women, and an unidentified female toddler.

Shannan Gilbert was found on Dec 13, 2011 in a swampy marsh. The cause of Death was undetermined and the police insisted that even though the search for her prompted the finding of all these bodies, she was not murdered but instead died of the exposure. But here’s the thing. It was May 1 and when I looked up the temperature it was a range of 52 to 80. And No one saw Shannan after that. 

[00:00:00] Dominika: Welcome to episode two of The Deviant Mind today and for the next couple of episodes. This is part one. I will be going into the Long Island Serial Killer, also known as lisk, The Gilgo Killer, the Gilgo Beach Killer, Manorville Butcher, and the Craigslist Ripper. Now this case still remains unsolved to this day, although there have been numerous suspects throughout the years.

[00:00:25] One of the main sources for this episode outside of a ton of news articles, I watched several documentaries and these will all be in the show notes, but the book that really struck me the most and a lot of his reporting on the case you can find online, which will also will be linked in the show notes, was Lost Girls, An Unsolved American Mystery by Robert Colker, which was published in 2013.

[00:00:52] And in his thank yous, he said that this book would not be possible without the mothers and sisters of [00:01:00] these women who were killed. And he goes so in depth into these women's lives really humanize these women through their families and friends, and I would suggest any of you true crime listeners who really care about the victims pick up this book, it's, it's fantastic. He was able to get so much access to both the families and also the investigators and the Suffolk Police Department, which definitely had some issues on this case as well.

[00:01:34] Our story begins in the barrier islands of Long Island in a narrow strip of land that is marsh, dunes and beach. On May 1st, 2010, around 1:00 AM a black Ford Explorer, driven by a man named Michael Pak, followed his GPS to a small community called Oak Beach and a closed gate. He was the driver for a young woman named Shannon Gilbert.

[00:01:59] [00:02:00] The gate was locked, but a man on the other side drove up, got out of the car and punched in a key code to let them in. They followed him back to a house and Shannon got out of the car. The first nine one one call came in at 4:51 AM and this is a small aside. The police refused to release all of these 9 1 1 calls back when this happened in 2011, even though the family in the press urged them to these calls did not get released until this year, May of this year, which is 2022.

[00:02:36] Anyway, going back to that night, the first nine one one call came in at 4:51 AM and it lasted 22 minutes. Shannon Gilbert was the one who made this call and she kept saying, quote, Somebody's after me. There's somebody after me. There's somebody after me.

[00:02:59] End quote. [00:03:00] I will also link for anybody who's interested to listening to these calls, it will be in the show notes. She fled from the house of Joseph Brewer, the man who she'd met at the gate to let her in. He'd hire her for that night. Shannon was an escort. We hear Shannon on the 9 1 1 call, fearful and shrieking trying to get the help of a man named Gus Colletti after she had run out of Joseph Brewer's house.

[00:03:30] He also called 9 1 1, but he wouldn't let her into his home. He said that the only thing he could understand that she was saying was the word help. He did in fact call the police and she went a running away from him from Gus Colletti statements, he claimed he let her into his house, but the 9 1 1 calls say otherwise.

[00:03:52] He did say that he watched her through his window and saw her try to hide behind a small boat next to his [00:04:00] house. A truck came down the road with a young Asian man in it, and Gus said he saw the girl run away into the darkness from this.

[00:04:09] Meanwhile, Shannon had gone down another street and banged on another door. A woman named Barbara Brennan saw Shannon coming fiddling with her phone and heard the desperate knocking, but she would not open the door either. She told Shannon she was calling the police and called 9 1 1. Shannon again ran away from her door.

[00:04:34] Shannon was never seen alive. The police arrived 45 minutes later after this last nine one one call at around 5:15 AM Shannon, and the car that Gus Colletti had seen were long gone. The neighbors had no idea what had happened. Who was Shannon and who was the man who let her into Oak [00:05:00] Beach, and how does she connect to LISK or the Long Island Serial?

[00:05:06] The search for her body would uncover 10 bodies of women, a toddler and a man on this remote stretch. Although many of the sources I read were a remote stretch, but I have a friend who actually lived 20 minutes from this area on Long Island, and she said that it's actually not remote at all, and that the Ocean Parkway is an extremely busy product way with cars constantly.

[00:05:34] So it was interesting to talk to somebody who I had actually lived in Long Island, not around this time, but it's has not changed much since 2010. And so she says it's not remote.

[00:05:47] The police and media dubbed the first four women that they found the Gilgo four because they were found in the Bramble off the Ocean Parkway on Gilgo Beach three miles away from where [00:06:00] Shannon disappeared. On this episode, we will discuss this and the subsequent finding of the Gilgo four in December of 2010.

[00:06:07] Their bodies were found just three miles away from where Shannon disappeared. At first, Detectives thought they had found Shannon, but they had not.

[00:06:18] The Gilgo four consisted of Marine Brainer Barnes last scene in 2007, three years earlier at Penn Station in m. Melissa Bartel missing in 2009 from the Bronx. Megan Waterman last seen in a hotel in Hop Watch Long Island, and she had gone missing in June of 2010. And Amber Lynn Costello last seen in August of 2010 in West Balon, Long Island.

[00:06:51] All of these women had traits in common with Shannon. They were all in their twenties and petite. They were all out of [00:07:00] town escorts, and they all advertised on Craigslist and Backpage. In April of 2011, the authorities found a partially dismembered woman, another sex worker by the name of Jessica Taylor, an unidentified Asian male, two unidentified women, and an unidentified female toddler.

[00:07:21] Shannon Gilbert was found on December 13th, 2011 in a swampy marsh. The cause of death was undetermined, and the police insisted that even though the search for her prompted the finding of all these bodies, she was not murdered, but instead died of the exposure. But here's the thing, and this is my own research.

[00:07:42] It was May 1st, and when I looked up the temperature, it was in a range of 52 degrees to 80 degrees. I'm not sure how she could have died of exposure, but there will be more on that in the second episode of this small series. Let's go [00:08:00] back to Shannon Gilbert though. Who was she? She was born in Lancaster, Pennsylvania on October 24th, 1986. Her mother Mari moved her and her three daughters away from her husband, who she later claimed was using heroin.

[00:08:15] They moved to Rockland County, New York to live with Mary's mother for a bit. Shannon was the oldest with a beautiful voice and a panache for acting. Mari was independent and wanted to raise her daughters alone, and things in the family got strained. When Mary. Or Mari hooked up with a guy named David, who was the father to Stevie Shannan's third sister

[00:08:38] sister Mari and David had terrible fights throwing things at each other while the kids hid. Mari's mother called the police about the violence and David was carded off to jail. Shannon and her sisters were put in foster care for close to two years. Mari got the girls back and [00:09:00] moved the family to Ellenville, New York, 90 miles northwest of New York City.

[00:09:06] Shannon unfortunately entered the foster care system again at the age of seven, but her sisters didn't. She was living in foster homes for the next six years while having to see her sisters at school knowing they were home with their. She would run away from the foster homes back to her mother's place, but would eventually find her way back into foster care system again.

[00:09:32] The author and journalist, Robert Colker wrote

[00:09:36] Shannon's friend, said she was devastated by this arrangement per Robert in his book. Mari, her mother said that Shannon was the problem herself. In regards to the situation, she said that her daughter was independent minded, willful but unstable, and Mari [00:10:00] said quote, A lot of mood swings, a lot of overeating, and a lot of binge and purge when it came to her daughter Shannon.

[00:10:10] At the age of 12, Shannon was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but she never took her meds. However, in Robert's research, Shannon's sisters claimed that Shannon was sent away due to a boyfriend she didn't get along with. And this boyfriend being specifically her mother, Mari's b. When Robert spoke to Shannon's friends, they all said she was popular, talented, bright, smart, and beautiful, and didn't mention any of the traits that her mother Mari did.

[00:10:48] Her biggest problem they also said was that she was locked out of her own family, and that truly hurt her for the rest of her.

[00:10:58] Shannon [00:11:00] finally settled into a home, a foster home that was really good for her when she was in high school, and by all accounts, Mari didn't like that. She didn't feel like she was giving the proper respect as Shannon's mother again. Some people mentioned she could have been jealous and would reappear and reassert herself into Shannon's life as her mother, causing Shannon quite a bit of distress.

[00:11:25] But of course, Shannon wanted Mari to love her and be her mother, and so she left this foster home that she was doing really well in and came back home to Mari. When she got there, Mari had turned cold and. Not warm like she had been when she had been living at the Foster mom's house, and again from Robert's book Shannon, after these occasions, when Mari would turn cold, would get hysterical, crying, You don't want me, She'd [00:12:00] say, These are quotes.

[00:12:02] You don't raise me, but you raise my sisters. She finally went back to her foster mother and tried to. Get her life back together again. She was very smart and ended up skipping a grade in high school. She did a lot of theater, which was her refuge, and her friends said that her voice made people cry when she performed.

[00:12:27] Shannon wrote poetry and essays tapping into her pain, and she graduated school a year. She tried college and nursing school, but it didn't work out for her. She had various jobs, including at a hotel, an Applebee's senior center, and worked as a secretary at a school. She was bored though and didn't find much of those jobs, very stimulating.

[00:12:53] Shannon decided she wanted to go to New York City to make it as a singer. She wanted to do [00:13:00] whatever it took be an entrepreneur, a self-made woman. But also she wanted to help her family be a benefactor to her mother and her sisters. Then she surmised her family would love her, so she went to New York City and started working again as a secretary, and she saw a advertisement in the paper in regards to an escort service and decided to try it.

[00:13:31] Soon after that, she quit her secretary job and went full time and worked for an outfit called World Class Party Girls at Night, while being enrolled in online college classes and trying to sing professionally. She headed into Manhattan for auditions during the day and worked for World Class Party girls at night.

[00:13:56] She wanted to do whatever it. [00:14:00] To become a singer.

[00:14:01] So the way the world class party girls worked was that they had a client list and they had a stable of girls and drivers. So the calls would come in to the agency and then they would choose the girl and hire a driver to go. Take her back and forth to the assignation This netted everybody involved a certain percentage, so the driver would get about 20 to 25%, and then the girl in the agency would split the rest.

[00:14:39] Now, at the beginning when she started working, it was around two, $300 per visit with a John, but as the years went by and world class party girls really beefed up their client list with celebrities and businessmen and very wealthy people, [00:15:00] she was able to essentially get 400 to $500 for an hour.

[00:15:06] And a lot of these girls would try to. Extend the one hour to two. So a lot of time there was Coke involved and different games to try to extend that hour to two hours.

[00:15:18] She met the boyfriend that she was with at the time that she disappeared at that job, and his name was Alex Diaz. They moved in together in 2008. and he didn't really think that Shannon belonged working for the escort service. He didn't quite understood why she did it, because she had so much going on.

[00:15:42] But she liked the money and he liked the money that she was bringing in. And after all of this, Shannon was finally able to be the benefactor for the family. Like she wanted, whatever her mother Mari wanted, she'd get for her and her sisters too. And [00:16:00] she finally had a good relationship with her mother because of this.

[00:16:06] Unfortunately, this all came crashing down in July of 2009 when World Class Party girls was brought down by the police for laundering money at the height the company was bringing in 250 K a month, and the owner of this agency, I think he was, indicted for laundering about $3 million. Strangely enough, the customer list was never made public as the prosecutor wanted to use it as leverage for the trial.

[00:16:38] But the owner, which I believe was a man named Ruiz, was his last name, he pled guilty. And so that client list never got out.

[00:16:52] The agency going out of business also put Shannon and Alex out of work and money, and they started to [00:17:00] fight about what would come next. Alex didn't want Shannon to escort anymore, but he had a felony record and couldn't exactly get a normal job, and plus what normal job would pull in the kind of money that they were pulling in.

[00:17:17] Working for the agency. She decided that she was gonna keep on escorting cuz she really wanted to finish her college night classes. So she joined a different agency, but it wasn't really going well. There was lots of bogus calls and no-shows. And after several months of this one night, or I guess in the morning, she came home and her and Alex got into a really big.

[00:17:43] For the first time. And from anything I could find, this was the only time this happened. He punched her in the face and he fractured her jaw. And this relationship never really got back on its feet after that. And I [00:18:00] think psychically, and again, this is my own opinion, she seemed to change after that.

[00:18:05] Two months after this happened, and she had to have her jaw wired shut for a bit to help with the fracture. Shannon, who was going under the name of Angelina at the time, met a driver named Michael Pak, a Korean guy from Queens, and he would be the man who would drive her to Oak Beach on that faithful night.

[00:18:26] They were frustrated with her current agency and decided that they wanted to go freelance. She posted and sometimes that Michael and she had another driver as well, would post ads on Backpage in Craigslist, she would typically pull together seven to eight jobs a night, and in between jobs, she would study for her classes.

[00:18:47] So when she would get into the car with Michael or this other driver, she would bring her purse, her books, and. Tried to use the downtime the best that she [00:19:00] could, but she was working around the clock and she was starting to get haggard and she would sometimes around this time take about a week off to try to refill her energy levels.

[00:19:13] But again, things seemed to have psychically not gone so great for her. , , the domestic abuse that she suffered at the hands of Alex, and then also

[00:19:28] the fact that she wasn't pulling as much money in anymore, and so she started becoming distant with her mother and her sisters again.

[00:19:36] Alex really didn't like the fact that she was back doing it, but she insisted that she wasn't going to quit until she graduated college on that faithful night, which was the last night in April, and then going into May 1st, 2010, she, as I said, arrived around one 15. But before that, [00:20:00] she and Alex had actually gone on a date to watch a movie.

[00:20:04] It was a Freddie Kruger movie in fact, and they were having a lot of fun, but she had had a call later and she was meeting Michael, and so they kissed goodbye and she took the path train to go meet Michael.

[00:20:16] So there is. Not very much documentation on what happened between when Michael Pak pulled up to the front of Joseph Brewer's house and three hours later when he got a tap on his window. Now, at one point, Shannon had tasked him to go and pick up some things at CVS for her, which included K y Jelly and a pack.

[00:20:44] Playing cards because that would of course extend her hour to more like three. But otherwise, Michael was just sitting outside waiting for her until he got a tap on his window and it was the client, [00:21:00] Joseph Brewer, and he was saying that Shannon was refusing to leave his house and that he needed Michael's help to get her.

[00:21:08] Michael had actually never had this kind of interaction with a John before, so he was surprised. And when he got into the house, Shannon was completely out of sorts. Shannon was afraid of him and kept talking about someone trying to kill her. He tried to. cajole her out from behind the sofa to come back to the car.

[00:21:30] He kept asking her if she was okay, and this was around a time that she called 9 1 1 and started her 22 minute phone call. In the nine one one call, you can actually hear Michael Pak saying, Hey, are you okay? Do you wanna come out now? And Joseph Brewer being like, Listen, she needs to leave now. Let's get her out and trying to essentially escort her out of his house and she did not want to Finally, she ran out of the house, but away [00:22:00] from the two men who supposedly were trying to help her. And then she had the encounters that I spoke about earlier with the residents of Oak Beach before she disappeared into the. Michael Pak did search for her through the streets, but he couldn't find her and at that point he just left her there.

[00:22:20] When she didn't come home on Saturday, Alex, her boyfriend was starting to get worried and he started calling her on Sunday. So this happened. May 1st was a Saturday, but we were, you know, doing the overnight between the last day of April and May 1st, and then she didn't show up all of Saturday and Alex started calling her phone on Sunday, but her phone was off.

[00:22:46] He called Michael, who was also very surprised. She never made it home, although, how is she gonna make it home? Oak Beach. There isn't like a bus stop around there. She would've had to have a [00:23:00] ride from the area where she ran off to back home. So I was a little surprised to be like, Oh, wait a minute. She didn't make it home.

[00:23:07] But I guess in the moment he told Alex where he had brought her. And so they called Joe Brewer and he again said that he had tried to help her, but she had run. So Alex decided to go to Oak Beach to find her. He actually talked to Joe Brewer, but he didn't get anything out of him because he said, Listen, I, I tried to help her.

[00:23:33] She just kept running away, and then she disappeared into the night. Alex said, Listen, I need to go to the police station. I'm going to report her missing. And so Joe actually went with him to the police station, but when they got there and explained what happened, And that Shannon ran off into the night and disappeared.

[00:23:56] The police pretty much laughed them off and said, [00:24:00] She'll be back home. Don't worry. Maybe she just ran away. Although both of the men were like, What are you talking about? This girl was in not good shape. She was having what they thought was some sort of breakdown or fear, and they were very worried that something happened to.

[00:24:18] So Alex left Joe and he went back home to Jersey City and he decided that he would file a missing person's report there. Now he went back to Ocean Beach, several ti, Oak Beach, Sorry, not Ocean Beach. Oak Beach. Several times when he went back the next day with photo of Shannon. He was met at the gate by Dr.

[00:24:45] Peter Hackett, who was a resident at Oak Beach, and he met him at the gate and said that the community would do whatever it needed to help. And there will be more on Dr. Peter [00:25:00] Hackett in the next episode because Mari Gilbert, Shannon's mother. Filed a lawsuit against him, but that's more to come. So there's a missing person's report filed in Jersey City.

[00:25:14] Of course, Alex contacted Shannon's mother and sisters to tell them what happened and that Shannon had disappeared and he brought the sisters back. Him to Oak Beach to canvas the neighborhoods and talk to all the neighbors to see if she could be found. Mari Shannon's mother decided that she was unable to come for this because she was so distraught over her daughter's disappearance.

[00:25:43] Strangely enough. Mari got a phone call during these times, and she was a little bit confused as to the dates that this phone call actually happened, but she got a phone call from Dr. Hackett claiming that he had seen Shannon that night and [00:26:00] that she was incoherent and needed help, and so he brought her into his home to take care of her, and that she was picked up in the morning by a driver when this of course came out.

[00:26:13] When Shannon was not found, Dr. Hackett denied calling Mari, but when the police checked his phone records, it was proven that he actually lied about that. And I'm assuming Mari's phone number must have been on the flyers that Alex and Shannon's sisters were papering around the Oak Beach neighborhood.

[00:26:34] But unfortunately, That was that her family and Alex kept searching for her and the police did some preliminary investigation, but it seems that for all intents and purposes, they dropped the ball. And I say this because there was a system of security cameras in the Oak Beach community, but the police didn't show any interest in them.

[00:26:57] These cameras would have been able to see Shannon's path that night and [00:27:00] where she actually ran off to, or who might have picked her up. The video was only stored on the hard drive for a month, according to Gus Colletti, who was part of the Oak Beach Association, and the police never asked about that within that month.

[00:27:14] When. They were available. They only came back eight months after Shannon had disappeared, and of course at that point the hard drive had been erased with new video footage.

[00:27:27] The family kept trying to get the police still searching for Shannon, however, because they had no new leads, her case pretty much died. Except for an interesting fact that the Suffolk Police Department had a canine unit. This unit consisted of 22 dogs purebred German Shepherds, and each one was trained for a specialty, open missing person's cases that had no leads, [00:28:00] were good training and practice ground for this unit.

[00:28:03] And if it wasn't for this unit, none of these bodies most likely would have been. Officer John Malia and his canine partner Blue decided to search for Shannon because Officer Malia, a 31 year veteran of the police department and former private investigator, believed they were looking for a body. He did not believe that Shannon was still alive.

[00:28:31] Over the summer of 2010, they searched all of Oak Beach, even though some of the places were inaccessible because of the overgrowth of bramble and poison ivy. They came back in the fall when the vegetation had died away and started searching the southern edge of Ocean Parkway, but found nothing. They started on the north part then, and at 2:45 PM on Saturday, December.

[00:28:56] 2010 blue found burlap and a skeleton [00:29:00] near the parkway of Gilgo Beach. Within two days, they had found four bodies, full skeletons all wrapped up in burlap. A curious fact to this discovery was that each body was placed about one 10th of a mile from the next body all along the edge in a pattern because of the way that these bodies had been found.

[00:29:23] How meticulous it was. The police began to suspect they had a serial killer on their hands, Officer Malia and the rest of the police assumed that one of these bodies would be Shannon and the police at that point searched Joe Brewer's house. The media descended on Oak Beach as well. Joe Brewer was defiant and said he was innocent, and both he and Michael Pak passed polygraphs saying that they did not know what happened to Shannon and they did not kill her.

[00:29:55] A dumping ground had been uncovered though, and the police started scouring other [00:30:00] missing person cases, making the assumption that if one of these bodies was Shannon, then the other bodies might also be sex worker or escorts as. The media at this point was blaring that they had a serial killer on their hands, and the police from all the things I read were wholly unprepared for this kind of case.

[00:30:31] On next week's episode, I will talk about the four women who are identified as the Gilgo four. The discovery of Shannon's remains and the other bodies found. There was a struggle by Shannon's family to have her murder investigated because the police, once all of the bodies had been uncovered, said that even though Shannon's case was the reason why all of these bodies were found, she was not in fact a victim of this killer.

[00:30:59] And they said [00:31:00] that, as I said before, that she had died of exposure. But Mari would have none of this. And she. Ended up getting her own forensic pathologist to look at Shannon's remains, and she put a lawsuit against Dr. Peter Hackett, which I will go into later. This is again, a, a very fascinating. Case in the way that it's evolved over the years and how pieces of information had come out.

[00:31:36] The killer had called some of the sisters of the other women, and unfortunately there are still bodies that have not been identified to this day. They also. Had connected another five bodies that they're wondering if it was the same killer. Now, there was another famous killer in Long Island named Joel Rifkin, which we will be [00:32:00] delving into in a case coming up, and he was in jail at the time that these bodies were found.

[00:32:08] The police at first thought that maybe these were. Bodies cuz they hadn't fully dated them yet. That could have belonged to his victims. But when they interviewed him in jail, he said that it wasn't his and there was definitely some speculation, whether it was one killer or two killers. And we will go into that as well.

[00:32:27] So I have a feeling this case is probably gonna span two or three episodes because there's so much information on the women and the strange connections between them. And the suspects because as I said, still remains unsolved to this day. Thank you for joining me on this episode of the Deviant Mind, and stay tuned for next week as we dive deeper into the Lisk case.

[00:32:57] Thank you.[00:33:00]